tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.comments2023-07-20T13:39:00.241+03:00Salainen evankelistaTimo S. Paananenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17013303126358159635noreply@blogger.comBlogger356125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-45925722728130474852019-06-13T22:09:40.981+03:002019-06-13T22:09:40.981+03:00congratulations Timo, well deserved! A very impres...congratulations Timo, well deserved! A very impressive piece of scholarship. You should have made Tony wear a tux too!Allan Pantucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-71571775716526653512019-06-10T14:49:22.104+03:002019-06-10T14:49:22.104+03:00Hi Timo. I enjoyed reading this summary of your di...Hi Timo. I enjoyed reading this summary of your dissertation defense. It's interesting how quickly the two hours became a blur in your memory; that happens to me, too, in similar situations. I remember a few things about my own dissertation defense in 1999, which was conducted privately in a small room with just me, an English professor as the chair, two of my professors, and two other professors on speaker phone. I still remember a few of the questions I was asked, and waiting anxiously outside the room for fifteen minutes while they discussed my fate. Afterward my two professors took me to a pub for a meal. If I remember correctly, my supervisor talked about how much more time and ceremony was involved in a dissertation defense in Scandinavia, so I was trying to picture something like that at 5:15 AM on May 29 as I was sending positive thoughts your way. I'm glad to hear that everything went as well as I expected it would.Scott G. Brownhttps://independent.academia.edu/ScottGBrownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-40994595150926684042016-03-29T22:00:20.693+03:002016-03-29T22:00:20.693+03:00He was my Grandmother's nephew. I always enjo...He was my Grandmother's nephew. I always enjoyed when he and his brother, Carl, who was also a priest for some time, came to visit. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07846619668286364706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-23969444793292676642015-09-29T20:43:38.716+03:002015-09-29T20:43:38.716+03:00I believe the book by Carrier which Spittler was t...I believe the book by Carrier which Spittler was thinking of is “On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt” (Sheffield: Phoenix 2014).Roger Viklundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07853787732807301588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-75582123380256563602014-03-30T16:32:45.869+03:002014-03-30T16:32:45.869+03:00I think that Carlson's position basically belo...I think that Carlson's position basically belongs to the emerging conservative Evangelical "scholarship." I quite agree with Robert Conner's comment above.<br /><br />Thank you very much Paanen for your rich post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-37146434756673806532013-02-03T06:43:14.279+02:002013-02-03T06:43:14.279+02:00its really hard to lose your mind when you are suc...its really hard to lose your mind when you are such a brilliant person. but it. happens ....signed a caretaker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-51405786671944182722013-01-28T09:12:14.529+02:002013-01-28T09:12:14.529+02:00Here are essays by another writer showing addition...Here are essays by another writer showing additional parallels between the “Secret Mark” fragment and other texts including text related to the Diatessaron. One thing that is certain is that the “Secret Mark” fragment is related to texts that Morton Smith, working in the 1950′s, would not have been aware of. It is unlikely that Morton Smith was a genius forger who was a generation ahead of his era’s scholarship, who was able to mimic Clement’s writing style, produce a text pastiche referring to texts that were not well known in his era and set it down in an authentic 18th c. handwriting style.<br />The simpler conclusion is that “Secret Mark” is authentic and belongs to a rather large family of related texts.<br /><br />http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku/bbl/secmk.htm<br /><br />David BlockerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-32155666834184966942013-01-28T09:10:26.820+02:002013-01-28T09:10:26.820+02:00The number of literary co incidences between the “...The number of literary co incidences between the “Secret Mark” fragments and stories in the canonical gospels and in Hebrew Matthew make it very unlikely that Morton Smith forged the text. In retrospect it is obvious he made an important discovery and did not fully understand its significance.<br /><br />A link to an essay showing the literary parallels between “Secret Mark” and other texts is shown below. There are links to downloadable PDF tables which set forth the parallel texts.<br /><br />http://rogerviklund.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/the-literary-relationship-of-the-raising-of-lazarus-story-to-the-secret-gospel-of-mark-excerpts-quoted-in-the-mar-saba-letter-of-clement-and-miraculous-healing-stories-in-the-synoptic-gospels/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-16518499930912721942012-12-16T02:41:37.383+02:002012-12-16T02:41:37.383+02:00Thank you for writing this blog, Timo, I always en...Thank you for writing this blog, Timo, I always enjoy reading it.<br />I wonder, do you by any chance know whether Morton Smith left any sort of inscription on his gravestone, if he was buried?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-39543579439137793482012-11-02T17:28:46.320+02:002012-11-02T17:28:46.320+02:00Thanks, Mike and Peter, for your comments. I also ...Thanks, Mike and Peter, for your comments. I also left a comment on Mike's blog about Tselikas and naked men (these two are DEFINITELY NOT RELATED btw), should anyone be interested.Timo S. Paananenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17013303126358159635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-4979518928748134992012-11-01T12:00:56.779+02:002012-11-01T12:00:56.779+02:00Timo, good article. It is a good survey of the sta...Timo, good article. It is a good survey of the state of play with plenty of angle/Tendenz and a solid critique of those who consider only one side of the arguments.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-91060951935521975962012-10-31T18:49:15.725+02:002012-10-31T18:49:15.725+02:00Excellent article. I posted some thoughts about i...Excellent article. I posted some thoughts about it on my blog (http://ntmark.wordpress.com/2012/10/31/the-state-of-research-on-the-letter-to-theodore-a-new-article/) as well as some additional questions that I would appreciate your input.<br />- Mike KAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-16340734211905698602012-10-19T09:55:55.013+03:002012-10-19T09:55:55.013+03:00No, I didn't. But... the version at http://mar...No, I didn't. But... the version at http://markgoodacre.org/Watson.pdf still has the section I quoted above. Was it revised somewhere else?Timo S. Paananenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17013303126358159635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-41022416077330552952012-10-19T04:21:14.203+03:002012-10-19T04:21:14.203+03:00You know, the funny thing was, I was sure those WE...You know, the funny thing was, I was sure those WERE the droids we were looking for. Yet my boss said, "Move along." How we let them get away I do not understand to this day.Stormtrooper Pseudo-Sibeliushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45fev9CgniM&feature=relatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-72877842723496950722012-10-18T14:07:17.110+03:002012-10-18T14:07:17.110+03:00Timo, did you notice that the revised version of W...Timo, did you notice that the revised version of Watson's paper does not include his mischaracterization of Secret Mark?Tony Burke, York Universitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-43906251675968838232012-09-29T06:40:29.096+03:002012-09-29T06:40:29.096+03:00Bravo.Bravo.Stephan Hullerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07712300237611095445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-82238534889356558842012-09-28T02:59:10.124+03:002012-09-28T02:59:10.124+03:00Interesting study, Timo. Thanks for taking the tim...Interesting study, Timo. Thanks for taking the time to do it.SGBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-11551968978003122992012-09-21T20:59:17.186+03:002012-09-21T20:59:17.186+03:00This will be an interesting experience, since this...This will be an interesting experience, since this time we have access to the actual ms which then can be physically examined. Hopefully this will answer for instance what the chemical composition of the ink is. As King puts it: <br /> “We are also pursuing chemical testing of the ink. The owner has agreed that the fragment itself will remain at Harvard University for the time being, where it will be accessible to accredited scholars.”<br /><br />And:<br /> “We are currently in the process of seeking to havethe chemical composition of the ink tested by non-destructive methods. While this analysis will not yield a specific date, it can indicate whether the composition of the ink corresponds to comparable inks used in antiquity. “<br /><br />She also writes: <br />“On the other hand, there are a number of other facts that point toward authenticity. Most notably, it would be extremely difficult to forge the way the ink has been preserved on the writing material. As mentioned above, the ink on the verso has faded badly, an unfortunate characteristic shared with many ancient papyri, but an indicator of a long aging process.”<br />Roger Viklundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07853787732807301588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-21504233783760793132012-07-07T15:40:06.982+03:002012-07-07T15:40:06.982+03:00There will be more details revealed about Quesnell...There will be more details revealed about Quesnell's encounter with the manuscript in the future (I don't have them at the moment; otherwise I wouldn't hesitate to share them). To be quite exact, Quesnell did tell to a number of scholars about his handling of the manuscript already during the 1980s. But at that time no one thought much about it. I believe it is only because our perspective got shattered and built anew following Carlson's <i>The Gospel of Hoax</i> (2005) that such details as extra sets of photographs have become more important. Maybe that is the "other context" you refer to as, indeed, should someone knowledgeable of the debate happen upon the missing manuscript <i>now</i>, it would certainly be malpractice to withhold the information.Timo S. Paananenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17013303126358159635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-81762520100706954882012-07-07T04:25:16.201+03:002012-07-07T04:25:16.201+03:00I cannot believe that Quesnell had photos of the M...I cannot believe that Quesnell had photos of the MS and was allowed to spend a few hours with it in 1983...and he told no one. For him not to have come forward with that info would in other contexts be considered criminal malpractice.Jason Filehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10608876270559374578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-49824964667750817442012-06-08T18:54:09.540+03:002012-06-08T18:54:09.540+03:00There is a world full of people who want to believ...There is a world full of people who want to believe it is a hoax so a book defending it would never get the attention or notice as Carlson.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01883279734402195572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-82651598086937421792012-03-30T18:02:23.575+03:002012-03-30T18:02:23.575+03:00Was an undergraduate student of Quentin Quesnell a...Was an undergraduate student of Quentin Quesnell and his wife Jean Higgins in the late 70s. Extraordinary, wonderful man, mentor. Not only did Jean die in 2010 (and theirs was an exceptionally close marriage; I believe the grieving is unrelenting), but Quentin has health problems of some neurological nature which preclude easy reading and writing (must be totally frustrating to a life-long scholar). These, I'm certain, are why he hasn't followed through. You who are the next generation of scholars will have to pick up the torch...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-63995972939257892162012-03-29T10:34:06.667+03:002012-03-29T10:34:06.667+03:00Stephan Huller doesn't think much of Ehrman...Stephan Huller doesn't think much of Ehrman's hack-job on Morton Smith:<br />http://stephanhuller.blogspot.pt/2012/03/fifth-chapter-of-myth-of-jesus-christ.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-89105794449439091662012-03-13T11:33:13.698+02:002012-03-13T11:33:13.698+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Roger Viklundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07853787732807301588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7212699990910971719.post-83463973074351385462012-03-13T11:32:18.792+02:002012-03-13T11:32:18.792+02:00I can’t remember. The last time I heard an attempt...I can’t remember. The last time I heard an attempt to make an excuse was regarding a statement a person had made, that Secret Mark had now been shown to be a forgery. When challenged the excuse went something like this: I had recently discussed The Gospel Hoax with a colleague, and thought the issue of authenticity was settled. Now I see that the debate continues.Roger Viklundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07853787732807301588noreply@blogger.com